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From There to Here: And Beyond

I’ve come to believe that intellectually gifted children should start learning about human psychology at a fairly early age. But I wonder what the effect would have been if my first exposure to the subject had been a school textbook. Maybe it would have turned me off the subject completely, or it might have led me in the right direction without years of thrashing around without any sense of direction. Who knows?

It’s a truism that many psychologists start out with themselves as their first subject of interest. Which makes my current reading somewhat serendipitous. In the midst of trying to write this post, I started reading Wisdom, Intelligence, and Creativity, Synthesized, by psychologist Robert J. Sternberg. In giving a brief rundown on what led him to psychology, he turns out to be a perfect example of the truism.

His path started in elementary school, when his extreme test anxiety resulted in a low IQ score. As he put it: “For three years, my teachers thought me stupid, and I obliged, pleasing them by confirming their self-fulfilling prophecies for me.” But his fourth-grade teacher believed in him, and so he started believing in himself and became an “A” student. “By age 13, I was determined to understand why I was now achieving at high levels despite my low IQ...” That led to his learning about IQ testing, and tracking down a Stanford-Binet test and administering it to his classmates. He got in trouble for that, but that didn’t matter, because by then he knew where he was going.

I sometimes wish my path had been so direct, but struggling to figure out what made sense and what didn’t from random reading of whatever I could manage to find taught me a lot that I might not have learned in any other way. What was available, living in a small town, was the pop psychology that’s always ubiquitous on library shelves. It didn’t take long to notice that each author had his own theories about what was generally wrong with people, and their analysis and suggestions for remediation were always based on those theories.  Every one of them was profoundly convinced of the correctness of his ideas, though there no biological foundation under them, and, almost inevitably, no studies to back them up. What little “proof” was offered was merely anecdotal stories of “cures.” Another common feature was that they tended to gather devotees and to act very much like religious gurus as their fame grew.

I never really found anything useful in trying to understand what was wrong with me -- bits and pieces of myself here and there in the descriptions, but it didn’t add up to a whole person--even a flawed one. It was excellent training in BS detection, however, which is actually a pretty good way of describing the scientific method. If it’s authoritatively stated that problem A is caused by parental abuse or neglect and you have problem A, in spite of not having been neglected or abused, you might begin to wonder where the evidence is for the statement.  

It wasn’t until I decided to make a stab at returning to college (many years after a parentally-ordered disastrous freshman year) that I discovered real psychology. Not only Psych 101, but abnormal psychology, developmental psychology, and social psychology. But it was the social psychology course that revealed just how different I was from other people. Different enough that I dropped the course rather than try to cope with test and essay expectations that were clearly going to be biased towards answers that I couldn’t give and remain honest with myself.

Eventually, after several more attempts to get a degree, I gave up. What I wanted to know about, and how I wanted to go about learning just didn’t fit in any college curriculum. Even when I developed a study plan for a college that catered exclusively to mature adults and prided itself on allowing students to design their own curriculum, what I needed for myself was unacceptable.

When giftedness entered the picture, I knew my path was set, but I had no idea of the multiple branchings such a path would take. It didn’t take long to realize that almost the entire literature of giftedness was devoted to moderate giftedness, that most research was limited to school children, that “explanations” of giftedness usually came out of the psychotherapeutic tradition, and leaned heavily in the direction of psychopathology. I moved in the direction of high intelligence and creativity, and from there to where I am now, with giftedness taking somewhat of a backseat, as I become more fascinated with examining the wide range of variations in cognition and intelligence.

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Reader Comments (26)

Do you now think that nothing was ever wrong with you, but rather your issues were the results of de-facto solitary confinment due to not having other people like yourself around?
May 30, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge
Not really, George. Intellectual isolation was a big part, but as I've found out over the years, I have other issues that have been a big influence -- lots of cognitive quirks and disabilities, some of them comparatively minor by themselves, but adding up to a significant difference from the norm. I may blog about that when the time is right.
May 30, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
Actually I didn't just mean "intellectual" isolation. From everything I've read about the gifted, things like emotional and moral sensitivities have their volume turned way up. I know this is certainly true of myself, and I test out on the 'dumb' end of giftedness (right around 130). What I'm getting at is not just the lack of people to talk about on various topics, but also people who don't/can't feel the way you feel or share similar moral concerns. If others can't feel as deeply, I find it difficult to have an emotional connection with them.
May 31, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge
This discussion would be more appropriate in the forum since it's not really relevant to the post, but to clarify: Personally, I don't need to identify with people emotionally, but that's just me. My emotions are a private issue, and discussions about moral concerns usually generate more heat than light because they are part of personal beliefs. I'm not saying moral concerns aren't important, because they are, but as discussion topics, I no longer find them interesting or productive. I'm sure that's not true for most people, and it also makes sense that being highly sensitive to such issues and not being able to share them can be distressing.
June 1, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
My first exposure to (pop) psychology was reading "I'm OK, You're OK." I must have been about nine or ten. It was a revelation to me that it was possible to look at people's actions in any systematic way rather than being blindsided.
June 2, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBarbara Saunders
I agree that Gifted children should be taught human psychology at an early age. As human beings we tend to think that our minds and our motives work the same way as everyone else's and vice versa. It's a very difficult habit to break to try and imagine why someone is doing something when their mind works very differently than yours.

As a child it certainly would have helped me to understand that not all minds work alike. There is an old Asop fable about some boys who kill frogs with stones. When I read the story as a child I couldn't understand how the boys excused their behavior as "just having fun", or why the frogs would have to explain to them that what they were doing was hurting the frogs (remember, this was a fable so frogs could talk). But I've seen plenty of that kind of behavior in real life, so Asop was on to something.

It makes me wonder how much human behavior I've personally missinterpreted over the years. My personal experience is that my own behaviors often have been missunderstood. Some people may see starting a small business as an act of greed rather than an attempt to gain more control over one's own life, for example.

Because behavior is biologically based, it makes me wonder if the 'gifted' aren't actually a competing genetic line within homo sapien.
June 4, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge
Even with plenty of knowledge behind me, and lots of experience dealing with people who aren't like me, I still have to monitor my assumptions, and remind myself that others aren't likely to be working from my motivations and understanding. You can get better at it, but you're always a "foreigner."

I don't see giftedness as a "genetic line," just one of the regularly occurring variations.
June 4, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
What did you find in social psychology that told you that you were so different? Also, test-wise, I am MG, and I know I do not have the extreme processing speed I've observed in other people. Yet I have all of the "eccentricities" and personality "problems" usually attributed to people far more gifted than I am.
June 11, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBarbara Saunders
The social psych course was the first time that I had a chance to compare myself in a more or less systematic way with what's considered normal in social behavior. Studies that show how the average person behaves in regard to peer pressure, authority figures, etc., provided me with the basis for comparison in many areas; the internet has allowed me to expand that understanding by using it as my personal field study.

Processing speed: within a normal range, there seems to be little evidence that it has any relationship to levels of giftedness. Timed tests work to the disadvantage of people who may be somewhat slower, but who are perfectly capable of understanding and solving the problems if given more time. But when we talk about processing speed itself as a measure of intelligence, we're talking about only fractions of a second. The differences may be important when fast reactions or judgements have to be made, but have no relevance to intellectual work.

The confusion about "eccentricities" and personality "problems" comes from failing to distinguish between temperament and cognition. They're linked, of course, but the tendency to include behavior and psychological states among the measures of giftedness is one of the things that prevents the field from developing in a useful way.
June 12, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
I've been reading "The Introvert Advantage" and the author talks about the introvert having "long neural pathways" and the information literally having to travel a much greater distance before the person can process the data. If my understanding is correct, this would mean that any test of processing speed would be unfairly weighted against the introvert, who handles information differently. IIRC, gifties do not necessarily score the highest in processing speed and memory, perhaps the fact that there are more introvert gifties than extrovert ones having something to do with it.

My partner, an exceptionally gifted person, is also an extreme extrovert and this can be difficult for me. He tells me how "slow" I am - slow to physically move the body, slow to speak, slow to form conclusions etc.

Catana, if you know of any resources I could direct him to that will get him to realise the differences between temperament and cognition you will have made our relationship much easier.
June 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterSue Blue
Sue, I haven't read The Introvert Advantage, but I seriously doubt that there's any proof for his claim that introverts have longer neural pathways. And if it were true, the differences would be like those for processing time, too minute to be measured by anything but specialized instruments.

I also doubt that being an introvert has anything to do with your *slowness.* His perception of your slowness is in comparison with himself. If you objectively know that in other situations you're also "slow," then your differences are far more likely to be from causes other than introversion. Either way, it's a relationship thing for the two of you to work out, not a diagnostic puzzle for him to solve, unless it's something you want to pursue together. It's just coincidence that he's a "fast" extrovert, and you're a "slow" introvert. He could be slow and still be an extrovert; you could be fast and still be an introvert.

To clarify a bit more about "slow" processing. Depending on the context, "slow" can mean anything from a few seconds to years. You may take a bit more time to process your ideas in a conversation or what you hear, but that's probably a matter of a few seconds or minutes. Getting the gist of a book or article may require more than one reading (Darwin is a good example). But there is much more going on than simple understanding of the meaning. The processing time includes organization, evaluation, placing in context, etc. For most people, reading doesn't usually include those factors.
June 13, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
When he tells you you're slow, tell him: "I'm not slow, I'm just thinking about the subject far more deeply than you. Why do you always have to jump to conclusions and be so superficial?"

My point is, his criticism can easily be turned around on him. Really, you need to let him know that if he can't repect the fact that you think differently than he does then you can go and find someone who does.

Ok, I'll stop before this turns into Oprah.
June 13, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge
Actually, about the introvert/extrovert and the neural pathways, there is a chapter devoted to the neural pathways in the Hidden Gifts of the Introverted Child (by Marti Olsen Laney, Psy.D). It's not that the introvert has long neural pathways, and extroverts don't, it was stated that introverts tended to have one neurotransmitter that was predominant. The introverts brain chemistry favored the use of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine (which uses a long pathway) and the extrovert favored the use of the dopamine pathway (which uses a shorter pathway). J. Allen Hobson (a Harvard professor of psychiatry) believes that these two neurotransmitters influence behavior. Stephen Kosslyn and Oliver Koenig (other Harvard brain researchers) agree that those two neurotransmitters trigger the nervous system (acetylcholine triggers the parasympathetic nervous system, and dopamine triggers the sympathetic nervous system). Acetyline does use a different and longer pathway than dopamine does.

I'd like to find out where this next statement comes from because the book goes on to say "sure enough,studies show introverts are dominant on the parasympathetic side of the nervous system... and extroverts are dominant on the sympathetic side." However, I'm not exactly sure which studies they are referencing (unless they mean the work by Debra L. Johnson using Positron Emission Tomography (PET) scans to show that introverts had more blood flow to different regions of the brain than extroverts did.

It makes for an interesting read, though you always have to sit back and decide if having different blood flow to different regions of the brain actually proves anything at all.

I'm not a brain research expert at all , so I really can't verify the validity of the methods used (other than the author telling us they were published in the American Journal of Psychiatry). I have no idea if this is considered accepted knowledge in the field. Who knows, maybe the month after that article was printed, there was controversy generated.

I wish I had the time to study this further to find if it's valid or not. But I don't. I just wanted to add information in case you wanted to take up researching this topic, Catana.

June 16, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKC
Thanks, KC. Interesting information, and I'll try to pursue it further when I have the time. I'd like to see how or if it relates to Jerome Kagan's findings on temperament, particularly introversion, which he see as a response to an overly reactive nervous system.
June 16, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
Moral discussions are still quite interesting to me. ;)

I am more emotional than logical - although I have found in debates on political message boards that my emotions are much more aligned with the positions held by people who tend to elevate logic and reason over emotion. I feel the way they think. And I am trying to learn from that and add more pure thought and reason to my rather emotional way of expressing myself - I've been quite humbled.

And my emotions have never been private - I think I've pretty much always worn them on my sleeve.

I also had a short disaster of a college career.

I am starting to study social psychology more and it is somewhat helping me understand the differences. But how did you end up dealing with them? At the end of my research I may know more terms and theories and have some idea of the causes behind humans causing great suffering, but the suffering will still be there and I still won't really get how people can just be okay with it.

I think I am coming to understand ignorance more. Like I personally have latched on to the systems you describe - Dabrowski, Maslow, and so on - because that was all I could find. Like you say, almost all of the research on giftedness is about moderately gifted children and there's almost no biological information, so those theories offered me some sort of oasis.

Off to read some more posts and have my ego deflated more - always a good thing. :)
June 17, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMedleyMisty
LOL - I went and read some older posts and actually had my ego re-inflated a bit.

But hey, that can be good too - so that this current cringing at what I've said and thought in the past and trying to reorganize myself stays positive and constructive.
June 17, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMedleyMisty
Medley, you're actually better off without ego; why be yanked around according to its petty dictates? Maybe I'll write about that one of these days. The contradictions between psychiatry and various spiritual disciplines, like Buddhism, regarding ego raise a lot of interesting questions. I'm not sure if the topic would be appropriate on this blog, though. Will have to give it some thought.

I think social psychology can be useful if you incorporate its insights into your own life. That applies to evaluating your own actions and those of others. It was very frustrating for me at first, and knowing that people live their lives in a fairly automatic way that prevents insight still gets under my skin sometimes. But if you incorporate the knowledge that this is the way the majority of the human race operates, you can also be less judgemental and more open to trying to find ways to communicate. You never know when someone is ready for just the right words that can wake them up. The whole issue of morals is tied up with this unawareness. By and large, people accept the moral framework that they're given and never see that it may be seriously flawed. If their ego is tied to that framework, there's not much hope for change, unfortunately. But you never know...
June 18, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
"knowing that people live their lives in a fairly automatic way that prevents insight still gets under my skin sometimes."

You're such an uptight bookwork, you just need to get laid!



I'm joking, don't shoot. Whenever I expressed any kind of reluctance to accept the casual brutality of normal society, my male peers (and female for that matter) have often said something to the effect of above.

How have you been able to stay positive and not ended up a misanthrope?
June 18, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge
"How have you been able to stay positive and not ended up a misanthrope?" Who says I'm not a misanthrope? Realistically, by most standards, I probably am. I have very little faith in the ability of the human race to work its way out of the pit it's dug for itself, so I focus on individuals. Since I've been able to live by myself and don't have to work for a living, I've settled into my natural state -- a recluse. If I had to interact with people on a daily basis, I would have given up a long time ago. I'm not really a total recluse, but it's been many years since I've found anyone to relate to in the real world -- suburbia isn't exactly a hotbed of engaged and intelligent people.

Besides trying to offer some insights that might help a few people, working out the ideas for my writing keeps me from focusing too much on the more depressing aspects of the modern world.
June 18, 2008 | Registered CommenterCatana
How do you get away with not working! o_O

I'm so jealous!

I do have to work for a living... and I do think that being (more or less) forced to interact with people has made me more of a misanthrope than if I could limit my intake. On the weekends I'm a hermit for the most part. In some ways it's helped me to learn to live with a high level of conflict, but at the cost of so many other parts of me.
June 18, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGeorge

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